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	<title>Comments on: Tim Ngwena wins 2009/10 YUSU Presidency &#8211; How it happened</title>
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		<title>By: Thank you!</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57341</link>
		<dc:creator>Thank you!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally a moderate and mature response amongst all of the mud-slinging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally a moderate and mature response amongst all of the mud-slinging.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Etheridge</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57336</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Etheridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my view, the time for debating election results is now over. People will always have different preferences regarding particular candidates; such a situation is natural in all elections. 

I also think that all those who stood for election, or who participated in any of the election campaigns, deserve a pat on the back. Both Dan and Jason should be commended because each has made a significant contribution to the recent election. YUSU needs people who are prepared to stand for election, and candidates need campaigners. 

Finally, regardless of the number of RONS both myself and Jason received in the recent election, I feel we are both capable and willing to try our best. I would prefer to be judged on the progress we make as campaigners over the next year; if we aren&#039;t successful over the next year then criticism will be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, the time for debating election results is now over. People will always have different preferences regarding particular candidates; such a situation is natural in all elections. </p>
<p>I also think that all those who stood for election, or who participated in any of the election campaigns, deserve a pat on the back. Both Dan and Jason should be commended because each has made a significant contribution to the recent election. YUSU needs people who are prepared to stand for election, and candidates need campaigners. </p>
<p>Finally, regardless of the number of RONS both myself and Jason received in the recent election, I feel we are both capable and willing to try our best. I would prefer to be judged on the progress we make as campaigners over the next year; if we aren&#8217;t successful over the next year then criticism will be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57333</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really worth claiming a &quot;1-0&quot; when all you&#039;ve done is be voted into a position which quite frankly, isn&#039;t that impressive but, better yet, more than one in four thought you couldn&#039;t do?

I might re-evaluate my logic if I were you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really worth claiming a &#8220;1-0&#8243; when all you&#8217;ve done is be voted into a position which quite frankly, isn&#8217;t that impressive but, better yet, more than one in four thought you couldn&#8217;t do?</p>
<p>I might re-evaluate my logic if I were you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57332</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am confusing the &#039;exit polls&#039; with the standard polls taken during the campaign. This supports my point that polls taken vary and often don&#039;t replicate the actual result.

Last year, Tom S won hugely on the exit poll inspite of The Yorker that gave Nads a big lead. This year, the exit poll was incorrect and the one taken by Nouse previously was more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am confusing the &#8216;exit polls&#8217; with the standard polls taken during the campaign. This supports my point that polls taken vary and often don&#8217;t replicate the actual result.</p>
<p>Last year, Tom S won hugely on the exit poll inspite of The Yorker that gave Nads a big lead. This year, the exit poll was incorrect and the one taken by Nouse previously was more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57330</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are mistaken Dan.

http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/10/poll-shows-lead-for-ngwena-in-presidential-race-with-large-proportion-still-undecided/ &lt;-- Our poll put Ngwena in front, but by a considerably larger margin than he finally won by

http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/14/exit-polls-predict-narrow-win-for-langrish-in-race-for-president/ &lt;-- the &quot;exit&quot; poll put Langrish in front, but only by a whisker

There is so much statistical analysis fun that could be had with the vote results - one I&#039;d love to see is a per-day breakdown of the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are mistaken Dan.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/10/poll-shows-lead-for-ngwena-in-presidential-race-with-large-proportion-still-undecided/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/10/poll-shows-lead-for-ngwena-in-presidential-race-with-large-proportion-still-undecided/</a> < -- Our poll put Ngwena in front, but by a considerably larger margin than he finally won by</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/14/exit-polls-predict-narrow-win-for-langrish-in-race-for-president/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/14/exit-polls-predict-narrow-win-for-langrish-in-race-for-president/ <&#8211; the &#8220;exit&#8221; poll put Langrish in front, but only by a whisker</p>
<p>There is so much statistical analysis fun that could be had with the vote results &#8211; one I&#8217;d love to see is a per-day breakdown of the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57329</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bushby&#039;s campaign raised awareness regarding YUSU, accountability and the like. Incidentally, I suggest you check your maths regarding The Yorker poll. Not only is your percentage calculus wrong, but the findings of both polls were wrong as they usually are and have been during my three years here. If I&#039;m not mistaken, Nouse had it to Langrish by a whisker and The Yorker to Ngwena by a much larger margain than he eventualy won by. What they say regarding Bushby and his eventual vote % is thus almost irrelevent.

&quot;At least I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bushby&#8217;s campaign raised awareness regarding YUSU, accountability and the like. Incidentally, I suggest you check your maths regarding The Yorker poll. Not only is your percentage calculus wrong, but the findings of both polls were wrong as they usually are and have been during my three years here. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, Nouse had it to Langrish by a whisker and The Yorker to Ngwena by a much larger margain than he eventualy won by. What they say regarding Bushby and his eventual vote % is thus almost irrelevent.</p>
<p>&#8220;At least I</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that Bushby got 28% more votes than Bradley and that not only had Bradley been the rank outsider all along but that he was last in all polls and that the Yorker&#039;s exit polls suggested that Bushby would be 150% ahead...

And that Dan Taylor said that Bushby would be right up there all along...


Well, we know that Taylor&#039;s occasionally wrong. I was expecting the highest RON of the night (perhaps related to the fact that Taylor has this vendetta thing going on) and the final vote was about right. As long as my popularity increases during my time as Campaigns Officer, I will be most satisfied with how I&#039;ve fared - if it drops further then I&#039;ve obviously failed. At least I&#039;ll have had a YUSU position before the end of my degree though, and I don&#039;t even have any real aspirations for them. &quot;Jason Ron&quot; 1:0 &quot;Menergy Taylor&quot;


In response to the other comment... &quot;But if in our government you had to vote for EVERY cabinet member and secretaries of various departments who would even bother?&quot;

We don&#039;t even get to vote for Prime Minister!

But no, I think that having YUSU sabbaticals dictate who gets the other positions is unnecessary. Perhaps the non-sabbaticals could be elected at a different time, could be elected by their committees (i.e. by the college reps) or some other formula but the system isn&#039;t *that* broken so I suspect that it&#039;s an &quot;if it ain&#039;t broke don&#039;t fix it&quot; situation, even if there are some problems.

If you think it&#039;s a real problem, however, by all means email president@yusu.org, returningofficer@yusu.org or submit a UGM constitutional update. The constitution is on the YUSU website under &quot;union&quot; if you would like to see it! And I&#039;m sure that a number of us would happily help you out with it and debate pros+cons publicly! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that Bushby got 28% more votes than Bradley and that not only had Bradley been the rank outsider all along but that he was last in all polls and that the Yorker&#8217;s exit polls suggested that Bushby would be 150% ahead&#8230;</p>
<p>And that Dan Taylor said that Bushby would be right up there all along&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, we know that Taylor&#8217;s occasionally wrong. I was expecting the highest RON of the night (perhaps related to the fact that Taylor has this vendetta thing going on) and the final vote was about right. As long as my popularity increases during my time as Campaigns Officer, I will be most satisfied with how I&#8217;ve fared &#8211; if it drops further then I&#8217;ve obviously failed. At least I&#8217;ll have had a YUSU position before the end of my degree though, and I don&#8217;t even have any real aspirations for them. &#8220;Jason Ron&#8221; 1:0 &#8220;Menergy Taylor&#8221;</p>
<p>In response to the other comment&#8230; &#8220;But if in our government you had to vote for EVERY cabinet member and secretaries of various departments who would even bother?&#8221;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even get to vote for Prime Minister!</p>
<p>But no, I think that having YUSU sabbaticals dictate who gets the other positions is unnecessary. Perhaps the non-sabbaticals could be elected at a different time, could be elected by their committees (i.e. by the college reps) or some other formula but the system isn&#8217;t *that* broken so I suspect that it&#8217;s an &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t broke don&#8217;t fix it&#8221; situation, even if there are some problems.</p>
<p>If you think it&#8217;s a real problem, however, by all means email <a href="mailto:president@yusu.org">president@yusu.org</a>, <a href="mailto:returningofficer@yusu.org">returningofficer@yusu.org</a> or submit a UGM constitutional update. The constitution is on the YUSU website under &#8220;union&#8221; if you would like to see it! And I&#8217;m sure that a number of us would happily help you out with it and debate pros+cons publicly! <img src='http://www.nouse.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Indeed</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57324</link>
		<dc:creator>Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.

A little amusing that Dan is mocking Jason for notching up 25% RONs given

a) How poorly his own candidate did

b) That if Dan were to himself run uncontested for a YUSU position the RON figure would be closer to 95% than 25%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.</p>
<p>A little amusing that Dan is mocking Jason for notching up 25% RONs given</p>
<p>a) How poorly his own candidate did</p>
<p>b) That if Dan were to himself run uncontested for a YUSU position the RON figure would be closer to 95% than 25%</p>
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		<title>By: Richard O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57313</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted RON for quite a few positions, not because I didn&#039;t feel the people were good for the role, but: 
a) because there were SO many roles I didn&#039;t feel informed about what most of them do or who the candidates were (afterall, it&#039;s hard enough choosing just between labour and conservatives) 
b) because a lot of them were just one person I didn&#039;t want to just blindly vote for people, they were going to get in anyway (have we ever had RON win?)
c) it&#039;s kind of my way of saying &quot;I want to exercise my right to vote, but am not sure who to vote for / don&#039;t feel this position is properly contested&quot; etc. as if you abstain I would probably go into the &#039;apathy&#039; pile.

But on what I saw as the main ones I voted. I was talking to a friend about the idea of having a core committee chosen by us meaning it&#039;s more hotly contested, and then possibly this committee give interviews and decide who is going into the minor roles. He said that would just reinforce YUSU cliqueness, so I don&#039;t know. But if in our government you had to vote for EVERY cabinet member and secretaries of various departments who would even bother? You vote for the party you &#039;trust&#039; (i.e. the least bad one :P) and they decide which ministers have the best experience to do the job for better or worse.

I guess the simplistic way of looking at it is if there are 15 different positions to vote for you spend a third less time becoming informed about the positions and the people running for them than if there were just 5 positions. And you also get the problem of uncontested positions and in the case of the RE officer, positions that noone at all runs for. I could have run for that and regardless of how capable I am I would have probably got it. (That&#039;s not a dig at the newly elected SU guys, honest!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted RON for quite a few positions, not because I didn&#8217;t feel the people were good for the role, but:<br />
a) because there were SO many roles I didn&#8217;t feel informed about what most of them do or who the candidates were (afterall, it&#8217;s hard enough choosing just between labour and conservatives)<br />
b) because a lot of them were just one person I didn&#8217;t want to just blindly vote for people, they were going to get in anyway (have we ever had RON win?)<br />
c) it&#8217;s kind of my way of saying &#8220;I want to exercise my right to vote, but am not sure who to vote for / don&#8217;t feel this position is properly contested&#8221; etc. as if you abstain I would probably go into the &#8216;apathy&#8217; pile.</p>
<p>But on what I saw as the main ones I voted. I was talking to a friend about the idea of having a core committee chosen by us meaning it&#8217;s more hotly contested, and then possibly this committee give interviews and decide who is going into the minor roles. He said that would just reinforce YUSU cliqueness, so I don&#8217;t know. But if in our government you had to vote for EVERY cabinet member and secretaries of various departments who would even bother? You vote for the party you &#8216;trust&#8217; (i.e. the least bad one <img src='http://www.nouse.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and they decide which ministers have the best experience to do the job for better or worse.</p>
<p>I guess the simplistic way of looking at it is if there are 15 different positions to vote for you spend a third less time becoming informed about the positions and the people running for them than if there were just 5 positions. And you also get the problem of uncontested positions and in the case of the RE officer, positions that noone at all runs for. I could have run for that and regardless of how capable I am I would have probably got it. (That&#8217;s not a dig at the newly elected SU guys, honest!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57312</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else not vote for Bushby owing to the support of Dan Taylor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else not vote for Bushby owing to the support of Dan Taylor?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57274</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I think his quote about 1 vote was that if one person had chosen the other option, it would do -1 from one person and +1 to the other and closing the gap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think his quote about 1 vote was that if one person had chosen the other option, it would do -1 from one person and +1 to the other and closing the gap</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57273</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that might be the case but wasn&#039;t sure as I couldn&#039;t find it.

Given his quote about it only really coming down to one vote, perhaps he did have to exercise this right in the LGBT election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that might be the case but wasn&#8217;t sure as I couldn&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Given his quote about it only really coming down to one vote, perhaps he did have to exercise this right in the LGBT election?</p>
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		<title>By: ..</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57270</link>
		<dc:creator>..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, on the other hand, was so drunk that her speech was amusing to hear :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, on the other hand, was so drunk that her speech was amusing to hear <img src='http://www.nouse.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57269</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Women&#039;s officers were completely and utterly sober, they were just very very excited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Women&#8217;s officers were completely and utterly sober, they were just very very excited!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57267</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Returning Officer gets the casting vote. It was explained in the election briefing and is constitutional - Tom Scott writes down voting preferences and seals them to be opened in the case of a dead heat on the night. I would HATE to be in that situation if it ever occured!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Returning Officer gets the casting vote. It was explained in the election briefing and is constitutional &#8211; Tom Scott writes down voting preferences and seals them to be opened in the case of a dead heat on the night. I would HATE to be in that situation if it ever occured!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bulley</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, the Returning Officer has a deciding vote.
If I remember correctly the officer makes their decisions the night before voting opens. These are then kept in a sealed envelope until results night, which Saul would have opened in the case of a tie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the Returning Officer has a deciding vote.<br />
If I remember correctly the officer makes their decisions the night before voting opens. These are then kept in a sealed envelope until results night, which Saul would have opened in the case of a tie.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57260</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Scott said in his interview with YSTV that he (as returning officer) gets the deciding vote in a tie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Scott said in his interview with YSTV that he (as returning officer) gets the deciding vote in a tie</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57257</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The constitution doesn&#039;t say... intriguing. Maybe it&#039;s specified in the definition of &quot;Single Transferable Vote&quot; that they use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constitution doesn&#8217;t say&#8230; intriguing. Maybe it&#8217;s specified in the definition of &#8220;Single Transferable Vote&#8221; that they use.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Darcy</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57253</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.</description>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2009/03/15/election-night-live/#comment-57251</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pipe down in the back</description>
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