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	<title>Comments on: Mad Cap’n admits pirate persona must go</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/06/17/mad-cap%e2%80%99n-admits-pirate-persona-must-go/#comment-52470</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lewis, thanks for the response, I think agreeing to disagree will be the best course of action. As you suggest may be the case in your Matt Burton example, if he did decide to wear a bikini into a meeting with the Uni admin, as long as he was speaking sense I wouldn't really mind what he was dressed like. I honestly believe that people voted for Tom as a person and not being part of the YUSU in-crowd, not just for the shallow reason of him wearing a pirate costume (although that did get him noticed), and it's still going to be that same person going to meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lewis, thanks for the response, I think agreeing to disagree will be the best course of action. As you suggest may be the case in your Matt Burton example, if he did decide to wear a bikini into a meeting with the Uni admin, as long as he was speaking sense I wouldn&#8217;t really mind what he was dressed like. I honestly believe that people voted for Tom as a person and not being part of the YUSU in-crowd, not just for the shallow reason of him wearing a pirate costume (although that did get him noticed), and it&#8217;s still going to be that same person going to meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/06/17/mad-cap%e2%80%99n-admits-pirate-persona-must-go/#comment-52467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

I think we're always going to disagree on this, I'm not in any way suggesting that you can become an entirely different person by changing your name, clothes or anything else, that would just be silly. 

The point I was trying to make was that although changing one's name makes no difference in any way that wold be relevant, Tom has clearly decided that the way he looks, dresses and behaves does have an impact on his ability to "act in the best interests of the Students’ Union". A notion which I would suggest would apply to any trustee, it's certainly not limited to Tom.  Whilst I wouldn't care if Matt Burton changed his name, I would care if he went into business meetings wearing a Bikini. Perhaps you wouldn't mind though and that's fine too.

Anyway, Its all an irrelevance really as in this circumstance the change is the other way around, and 'in my favour' as it were. I'm only really writing this because I felt you lumped my opinions in with other peoples in your earlier comment. 

For the record I think its a good thing, and although I do think it is a substantive change, I personally think its for the better. A bye-election would be a waste of time. He's learning more about the job, he's changed some of his views slightly, and so has changed his policies to match. That just shows he's on the ball I think.

As an aside I've never really understood why its such a big deal that people go back on manifesto pledges: If you say you're going to do something, then realize as you get better at your job that its not really such a great idea, I'd rather you admitted it and did something else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re always going to disagree on this, I&#8217;m not in any way suggesting that you can become an entirely different person by changing your name, clothes or anything else, that would just be silly. </p>
<p>The point I was trying to make was that although changing one&#8217;s name makes no difference in any way that wold be relevant, Tom has clearly decided that the way he looks, dresses and behaves does have an impact on his ability to &#8220;act in the best interests of the Students’ Union&#8221;. A notion which I would suggest would apply to any trustee, it&#8217;s certainly not limited to Tom.  Whilst I wouldn&#8217;t care if Matt Burton changed his name, I would care if he went into business meetings wearing a Bikini. Perhaps you wouldn&#8217;t mind though and that&#8217;s fine too.</p>
<p>Anyway, Its all an irrelevance really as in this circumstance the change is the other way around, and &#8216;in my favour&#8217; as it were. I&#8217;m only really writing this because I felt you lumped my opinions in with other peoples in your earlier comment. </p>
<p>For the record I think its a good thing, and although I do think it is a substantive change, I personally think its for the better. A bye-election would be a waste of time. He&#8217;s learning more about the job, he&#8217;s changed some of his views slightly, and so has changed his policies to match. That just shows he&#8217;s on the ball I think.</p>
<p>As an aside I&#8217;ve never really understood why its such a big deal that people go back on manifesto pledges: If you say you&#8217;re going to do something, then realize as you get better at your job that its not really such a great idea, I&#8217;d rather you admitted it and did something else!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/06/17/mad-cap%e2%80%99n-admits-pirate-persona-must-go/#comment-52465</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Northwood is 100% right on this. The comparason is perfect valid, it may not be exactly the same, but it's called reductio ad absurdum for a reason.

It looks like the people who are anti-Tom just won't be satisfied ever unless they get their own, hypocritcial, way. They want a by-election to get rid of him because he's a pirate, they want a by-election to get rid of him when he isn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Northwood is 100% right on this. The comparason is perfect valid, it may not be exactly the same, but it&#8217;s called reductio ad absurdum for a reason.</p>
<p>It looks like the people who are anti-Tom just won&#8217;t be satisfied ever unless they get their own, hypocritcial, way. They want a by-election to get rid of him because he&#8217;s a pirate, they want a by-election to get rid of him when he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/06/17/mad-cap%e2%80%99n-admits-pirate-persona-must-go/#comment-52460</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reasons being made that Tom should give way to a by-election is that he isn't the same person that's been elected, but if changing the way you talk and dress makes someone a different person, then changing your name should also make you a different person. I don't see any fundamental flaws in this comparison, and you nor anyone else either on here or The Yorker have pointed any out (saying that something is "completely ridiculous" without backing it up with reason does not make a decent rebuttal), so I'm going to stand by it.

Once again, I ask you, do you honestly think that the electorate think that Tom Scott and the Mad Cap'n are completely different people? Despite what you may think of your peers, I'll make the claim that most York University students did realise that Mad Cap'n Tom was just Tom Scott wearing a pirate uniform. I have no strong evidence to back this up other than anecdotal evidence (people in other comments agreeing with me) and the logical conclusion you can draw that if someone is smart enough to get into York, they're smart enough to realise that a man in a pirate costume is just that, a man in a pirate costume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reasons being made that Tom should give way to a by-election is that he isn&#8217;t the same person that&#8217;s been elected, but if changing the way you talk and dress makes someone a different person, then changing your name should also make you a different person. I don&#8217;t see any fundamental flaws in this comparison, and you nor anyone else either on here or The Yorker have pointed any out (saying that something is &#8220;completely ridiculous&#8221; without backing it up with reason does not make a decent rebuttal), so I&#8217;m going to stand by it.</p>
<p>Once again, I ask you, do you honestly think that the electorate think that Tom Scott and the Mad Cap&#8217;n are completely different people? Despite what you may think of your peers, I&#8217;ll make the claim that most York University students did realise that Mad Cap&#8217;n Tom was just Tom Scott wearing a pirate uniform. I have no strong evidence to back this up other than anecdotal evidence (people in other comments agreeing with me) and the logical conclusion you can draw that if someone is smart enough to get into York, they&#8217;re smart enough to realise that a man in a pirate costume is just that, a man in a pirate costume.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, that's quite a few people on both The Yorker and Nouse that think that comparison is completely ridiculous. It's nothing like the same thing. At all. Read The Yorker's comments for why. I cannot be bothered cut, copying and pasting on two walls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, that&#8217;s quite a few people on both The Yorker and Nouse that think that comparison is completely ridiculous. It&#8217;s nothing like the same thing. At all. Read The Yorker&#8217;s comments for why. I cannot be bothered cut, copying and pasting on two walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think the comparison is all that ridiculous, neither changing something like your name, nor the way you talk and dress changes who that person is. Tom Scott and Mad Cap'n Tom were always the same person, I don't see how this is changing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the comparison is all that ridiculous, neither changing something like your name, nor the way you talk and dress changes who that person is. Tom Scott and Mad Cap&#8217;n Tom were always the same person, I don&#8217;t see how this is changing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a ridiculous comparison Chris. Clearly changing how you talk, dress and behave (as he is doing) is substantive and relevant, unlike changing your name, and clearly Tom agrees otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation!!

That said, I don't think a Bye-election would be a worthwhile exercise, he's taking his commitment to the union seriously, and that can only be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a ridiculous comparison Chris. Clearly changing how you talk, dress and behave (as he is doing) is substantive and relevant, unlike changing your name, and clearly Tom agrees otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t be having this conversation!!</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t think a Bye-election would be a worthwhile exercise, he&#8217;s taking his commitment to the union seriously, and that can only be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Crian Bantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crian Bantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD
NO PIRATE - ME GET SEA SICK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD<br />
NO PIRATE - ME GET SEA SICK</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Northwood</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/06/17/mad-cap%e2%80%99n-admits-pirate-persona-must-go/#comment-52427</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Northwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe anywhere on his manifesto did he say he'd be a pirate all year, Anon. That'd be akin to saying that when Grace Fletcher-Hall changed her name to Grace Fletcher-Hackwood we should have immediately had a by-election, because we voted Grace Fletcher-Hall to the position, not Grace Fletcher-Hackwood.

This guy is still the same person as he was when we voted him in. Why does it matter what accent he uses, or how he dresses? All he's saying is that he's not going to be using his pirate persona when it's inappropriate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe anywhere on his manifesto did he say he&#8217;d be a pirate all year, Anon. That&#8217;d be akin to saying that when Grace Fletcher-Hall changed her name to Grace Fletcher-Hackwood we should have immediately had a by-election, because we voted Grace Fletcher-Hall to the position, not Grace Fletcher-Hackwood.</p>
<p>This guy is still the same person as he was when we voted him in. Why does it matter what accent he uses, or how he dresses? All he&#8217;s saying is that he&#8217;s not going to be using his pirate persona when it&#8217;s inappropriate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely a bi-election is in order, as he was voted in as a pirate candidate.

If, rightly or wrongly, he chooses to drop this personna, then surely using it in the first place means he basically cheated his way in ahead of two superior candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely a bi-election is in order, as he was voted in as a pirate candidate.</p>
<p>If, rightly or wrongly, he chooses to drop this personna, then surely using it in the first place means he basically cheated his way in ahead of two superior candidates.</p>
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