Comments on: Grace is out: has the student body spoken? http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/ Award-winning University of York Student Newspaper Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:31:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: BP http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-50485 BP Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:13:24 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-50485 a smal margin does not indicate indecision, but rather split opinion. The high number of voters suggests many people felt strongly. a smal margin does not indicate indecision, but rather split opinion. The high number of voters suggests many people felt strongly.

]]> By: I love Uni! http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48967 I love Uni! Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:59:54 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48967 "Imagine if a student had been assualted and had to go and see her" - Dan Taylor. It would be no different to a female student finding it impossible to talk to a male Academic and Welfare Officer - they could go and see the SU staff Welfare Adviser. “Imagine if a student had been assualted and had to go and see her” - Dan Taylor.

It would be no different to a female student finding it impossible to talk to a male Academic and Welfare Officer - they could go and see the SU staff Welfare Adviser.

]]> By: James MacDougald http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48887 James MacDougald Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:52:22 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48887 Dan, How many 'final words' are you going to have on the matter? I count two before this one, both of which you followed up with further posts on the same subject - or were they just 'post scriptum'? Stop trying to close the debate. If, as you claim, you are 'sick to the teeth of arguing this', then go away! No-one's forcing you to engage with the matter any longer. The argument rages on because a lot of people, regardless of the rights or wrongs, legitimacy or otherwise of democracy, think that the students made the wrong choice! Like the Germans in 1933, like the Gaza Palestinians in 2006, like the Italians might this year (arguably). Stop trying to force a consensus, and stop appending exhaustive, intolerant and boring paragraphs about how tired you are of the issue to every comment you make. Either debate constructively or spend the time elsewhere, elsewise. Dan,

How many ‘final words’ are you going to have on the matter? I count two before this one, both of which you followed up with further posts on the same subject - or were they just ‘post scriptum’?

Stop trying to close the debate. If, as you claim, you are ’sick to the teeth of arguing this’, then go away! No-one’s forcing you to engage with the matter any longer. The argument rages on because a lot of people, regardless of the rights or wrongs, legitimacy or otherwise of democracy, think that the students made the wrong choice! Like the Germans in 1933, like the Gaza Palestinians in 2006, like the Italians might this year (arguably).

Stop trying to force a consensus, and stop appending exhaustive, intolerant and boring paragraphs about how tired you are of the issue to every comment you make. Either debate constructively or spend the time elsewhere, elsewise.

]]> By: Chris Northwood http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48877 Chris Northwood Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:40:31 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48877 Dan, for the love of God, it's done. Grace has left. Can you please leave it now? Secondly, this is posted in the "Comment" section, so the author is perfectly entitled to be biased and to make her opinion. Dan, for the love of God, it’s done. Grace has left. Can you please leave it now? Secondly, this is posted in the “Comment” section, so the author is perfectly entitled to be biased and to make her opinion.

]]> By: Dan Taylor http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48870 Dan Taylor Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:12:56 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48870 I think this is the most one-sided and poorly judged article I have ever seen- even from Nouse. I shall address one or two points: - Clearly the student body has spoken- it was an unprecedented turnout for a UGM vote and smashed all previous internet voting records. The 10% turnout for voting is actually very high (highlighting you distinct lack of knowledge in this area) for a student vote. - 8 students in a majority. A small one, but nevertheless, a majority. The US Presidency was decided by a lesser margin that 0.5% in 2000. This I am afraid is how democracy works. What I find most amusing is how its biggest advocates become its biggest critics when it does not go their way. Incidentally, if ONE student feels they are unable to go to their A&W Rep. post-incident that is evidence enough that she should have resigned. Imagine if a student had been assualted and had to go and see her...that would have been ironic. - Finally- frankly I am sick to the teeth of arguing this. Grace hit a student. For someone in her position, that is wrong and the students DID speak- like it or not, and they got rid of her. I am proud they had the chance to vote on it and regret nothing about it. Your article is ridiculously biased and misleading. It ridicules you personsally and discredicts the newspaper for which you write. I suggest you read more into your facts, speak to students and see what they think on the matter. Dan Taylor I think this is the most one-sided and poorly judged article I have ever seen- even from Nouse. I shall address one or two points:
- Clearly the student body has spoken- it was an unprecedented turnout for a UGM vote and smashed all previous internet voting records. The 10% turnout for voting is actually very high (highlighting you distinct lack of knowledge in this area) for a student vote.
- 8 students in a majority. A small one, but nevertheless, a majority. The US Presidency was decided by a lesser margin that 0.5% in 2000. This I am afraid is how democracy works. What I find most amusing is how its biggest advocates become its biggest critics when it does not go their way. Incidentally, if ONE student feels they are unable to go to their A&W Rep. post-incident that is evidence enough that she should have resigned. Imagine if a student had been assualted and had to go and see her…that would have been ironic.
- Finally- frankly I am sick to the teeth of arguing this. Grace hit a student. For someone in her position, that is wrong and the students DID speak- like it or not, and they got rid of her. I am proud they had the chance to vote on it and regret nothing about it.

Your article is ridiculously biased and misleading. It ridicules you personsally and discredicts the newspaper for which you write. I suggest you read more into your facts, speak to students and see what they think on the matter.

Dan Taylor

]]> By: Joseph Burnham http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48766 Joseph Burnham Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:45:33 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48766 We should let it die. Whether or not we agree with the choice, it has nothing to do with Dan Taylor and everything to do with the students at this point. They voted, not just him, and collective responsibility needs to be taken for the actions of the student body. A surprising number of people I met had seriously considered the issue, had even read debates, and - for the most part - were able to isolate the incident so that it was outside personality wars. I think it's most important that me look ahead at this point, even if we never wanted Grace out. We should let it die. Whether or not we agree with the choice, it has nothing to do with Dan Taylor and everything to do with the students at this point. They voted, not just him, and collective responsibility needs to be taken for the actions of the student body. A surprising number of people I met had seriously considered the issue, had even read debates, and - for the most part - were able to isolate the incident so that it was outside personality wars. I think it’s most important that me look ahead at this point, even if we never wanted Grace out.

]]> By: Miranda Thomas http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48716 Miranda Thomas Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:43:18 +0000 http://www.nouse.co.uk/2008/02/12/grace-is-out-the-student-body-has-spoken/#comment-48716 '...what it boils down to is that it is the students who are going to lose out, when the students have barely spoken.' Hear hear. ‘…what it boils down to is that it is the students who are going to lose out, when the students have barely spoken.’

Hear hear.

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