Out of curiosity do you know how much profit Carnage made from their event in York? Given your assertions that it was a better event and it was more expensive, surely Carnage had more customers and made a bigger profit?

I’m still confused as to why anyone would pay £8 for a cheap T-shirt and entry to bars which are free anyway. If you believe it’s acceptable to persuade students to pay an extortionate price for a T-shirt then the “Looking after it’s students” claim has to be open to debate.

Also, for reference: Misquotation is one word, although misquote is usually used instead. “Miss Quote” is not a word, it’s (she’s) a person. And if you do not like something someone is saying/writing that does not make it slanderous or illegal.

I do not work for the Student Union either in a paid job or as a volunteer. I’m just a regular student who’s pissed off at a money-grabbing organisation trying to rip off students who are under enough financial pressure as it is.

Did I miss anything?

Thank you for your comments. If you are a student at the University of York and you have an issue with how I do my job, I suggest you email or call me about it to arrange a meeting. If you’re not a student here, I consider your views wholly irrelevant.

I am one of the officers who runs a very successful Students’ Union; and I help run events like Viking Raid which are better attended than Carnage. To be honest, there wasn’t a single poster on campus about the last Viking Raid, and there was no direct selling; yet it sold out easily, at 1600 tickets. I don’t think, therefore we need worry about how well publicised or good our event is (though we always look for ways to improve it).

We did ask the police about your event and they seemed rather concerned that they didn’t know about it. We also spoke to the Environmental Health Department and Licensing Authority, for your information.

I don’t know who Miss Quotation is, but I’d like to meet her and hear her thoughts. We have ensured that the article above conforms to our Media Charter and does not contain any libellous information. I’m not entirely sure how it contains slander as it’s in a permanent (written down) format.

I don’t have any real power to delete Nouse posts, and I don’t think the editors will do so either.

Thanks again for your offer to work with Carnage. Again, we’ll turn you down; whilst your £2-3 profit margin per ticket sold is a tempting offer, I think that a) we’d rather provide better value for money for students and b) we’d rather run a sold-out, 1600 strong event and take a smaller margin on each, ultimately meaning that everyone wins.

If your job is PR representative for Carnage, good luck with that too.

Have a good weekend.

Sam

P.S. As it’s now after the time I’m at work I feel there’s no problem for me to respond to your “petty” argument. Best of both worlds.

How about you spend more time actually doing your job and working for the SU rather than getting into a petty argument that is clearly pointless.

It screams sour grapes at me, is it because they run a better, well publicised and ultimately better evnt than the SU’s??? Don’t get me wrong is very honourable what you do for the university but i’m sure it helps pays for you wage somehow.

The original article is full of slander and miss quotation which is actually illegal which i hope you know, maybe if the union worked in cohesion with events like these then the students at York would get the oppourtunities and facilities they deserve not some egotistical set of bigwigs who are holding back the development of a university through sheer ignorance and malice.

As with many posts because i’m not complimenting you, your probably delete this post but that just sums up the backward dictatorship that your trying to run. Good luck to you in your job, your clearly need it, and hopefully one day your listen to the students your suppose to represent and not your faltering reputations.

my respect to your comments (not sarcasm intented honest)

Ryan

(incidentally, I might be being overly paranoid here - but does it strike anyone else as suspicious that ’sarah’s’ post occurrs in the t minutes between ‘John’s’ posts?)

There is also, of course, the issue of security if representatives of an external company are attempting to gain access to student flats, and no company would be allowed to behave in this manner.

On top of this is there are the numerous safety and planning deficencies, the plethora of complaints the event has attracted in other areas, and the fact that the whole thing is ludicrously overpriced. Unlike the Viking Raid (all proceeds from which go to the Union and help fund student activities) this event is run for the benefit of the people ruuning it, not for the students taking part. It is perhaps symptomatic of this that the people speaking here in favour of Carnage are the people who profit from it, not those who have payed the £8 and had a shit night.

As for the T-shirts being ethically sourced, I don’t have time to examine this claim in any depth. If what you’re saying is true, and they do use Starworld, then it looks unlikely. The company operates its own factories, isn’t subject to external audits or scrutiny, doesn’t appear to have trade unions, and doesn’t have an in depth employment policy - in other words, we have to take their word for it that the standards are ‘ethical’, which is particularly concerning as they don’t even try to define what they mean by ethical (Fruit of the Loom, Nike, Reebok and all the other usual suspects all have public statements claiming that they have ethical employment practises).

Starworld’s statement sounds convincing, until you actually read it: they try to imply that the fact that their clothing meets Oeko-Tex 100 regulations somehow makes it ethical. These regulations merely assure the customer that there are no harmful chemicals on the T-shirt, and that wearing it won’t harm them, they have nothing to do with labour practises.

In short: not ethical, not well-organised, not in the interest of students, not value for money, and as a result not well-attentended by York Students..

YUSU aren’t all about making money, we’re a charity run for students, not a for-profit company.

Star World aren’t on the People and Planet ethical merchandise list so currently we are mandated not to use them.

Hope that answers your question.

YORK SU MUST BE FULL OF GEEKS……! NEVER MIND THERES ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO RUIN EVERYONE’S FUN…..!

We were offered a significant amount more than we earn per t-shirt on Viking Raid - but we run events for students, not to make an obscene profit. Also, we have policy passed by a UGM meaning that we have to use ethically sourced merchandise.

For the record, YUSU haven’t requested the removal of any of these posts; you may have been subject to an (independant) editorial decision.

If you have any questions about this or our policies, please contact me on communications@yusu.org.

Sam Bayley (YUSU Societies & Communications Officer)

This is not Rich Croker.

Honestly, it’s not.

Maybe SU should be talking to them a bit more about how to run their finances?