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		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/05/08/are-we-a-racist-university/#comment-43227</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A correction to this article is now online here:<br />
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		<title>By: rinky stingpiece</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/05/08/are-we-a-racist-university/#comment-43166</link>
		<author>rinky stingpiece</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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David Brennan
May 11th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

T Bob, you are full of nonsense. Your ilk moves to Spain and France to get away from the “foreigners”, and then you don’t even bother to integrate ….. hypocrites"

What a load of logically fallacious, prejudiced assumptions.

What you really mean by this red herring is that Tbob is not allowed to suggest that people who come here should make an effort to integrate.

To expose your prejudice, just so it's crystal clear:

If TBob made the statement that:

"All students from all countries who study in other countries should respect the culture make an effort to integrate"

You would not be able to criticise him.

If he said that:

"All students from this country who study in a foreign country should respect the culture make an effort to integrate"

You would champion him as a paragon of tolerance and pseudoliberal virtue.

however, dare he say that

"All students from a foreign country who study in this country should respect the culture make an effort to integrate"

then you insinuate that he is a hypocrite and a bigot.

Well I've got news for you, you have just proven that YOU are the hypocrite, and YOU are the bigot.

more shocking than that, you have exposed yourself as a RACIST against native British people and their culture... which may well be your own racial phenotype and culture, which makes you:

a. an idiot, for not understanding the implications of what you are saying.

b. a sheep, for simply parroting opinions expressed by other idiots without thinking for yourself.

and

c. a member of the youth wing of the fascist pseudoliberal cult, for floating around your intellectual olympus bullying and victimising people in the name of "freedom" and "tolerance" without understanding what these concepts truly mean.

...shut up and go back to your playstation.</description>
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David Brennan<br />
May 11th, 2007 at 2:23 pm</p>
<p>T Bob, you are full of nonsense. Your ilk moves to Spain and France to get away from the “foreigners”, and then you don’t even bother to integrate ….. hypocrites&#8221;</p>
<p>What a load of logically fallacious, prejudiced assumptions.</p>
<p>What you really mean by this red herring is that Tbob is not allowed to suggest that people who come here should make an effort to integrate.</p>
<p>To expose your prejudice, just so it&#8217;s crystal clear:</p>
<p>If TBob made the statement that:</p>
<p>&#8220;All students from all countries who study in other countries should respect the culture make an effort to integrate&#8221;</p>
<p>You would not be able to criticise him.</p>
<p>If he said that:</p>
<p>&#8220;All students from this country who study in a foreign country should respect the culture make an effort to integrate&#8221;</p>
<p>You would champion him as a paragon of tolerance and pseudoliberal virtue.</p>
<p>however, dare he say that</p>
<p>&#8220;All students from a foreign country who study in this country should respect the culture make an effort to integrate&#8221;</p>
<p>then you insinuate that he is a hypocrite and a bigot.</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;ve got news for you, you have just proven that YOU are the hypocrite, and YOU are the bigot.</p>
<p>more shocking than that, you have exposed yourself as a RACIST against native British people and their culture&#8230; which may well be your own racial phenotype and culture, which makes you:</p>
<p>a. an idiot, for not understanding the implications of what you are saying.</p>
<p>b. a sheep, for simply parroting opinions expressed by other idiots without thinking for yourself.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>c. a member of the youth wing of the fascist pseudoliberal cult, for floating around your intellectual olympus bullying and victimising people in the name of &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;tolerance&#8221; without understanding what these concepts truly mean.</p>
<p>&#8230;shut up and go back to your playstation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/05/08/are-we-a-racist-university/#comment-43162</link>
		<author>David Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 13:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Bob, you are full of nonsense.  Your ilk moves to Spain and France to get away from the "foreigners", and then you don't even bother to integrate ..... hypocrites</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Bob, you are full of nonsense.  Your ilk moves to Spain and France to get away from the &#8220;foreigners&#8221;, and then you don&#8217;t even bother to integrate &#8230;.. hypocrites</p>
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		<title>By: rinky stingpiece</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/05/08/are-we-a-racist-university/#comment-43107</link>
		<author>rinky stingpiece</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many ways to legitimately criticise and debunk both this article; its authors; its publishers; it readers; its sympathisers; that it would take up far too much of any commenters time to write or readers time to digest.

Perhaps this is the key issue.
The York student newspapers are so embarrassingly shameless in their efforts to court controversy that there seem no over-inflated incendiary claims they are willing to restrain themselves from publishing in order to provoke, polarise, and waste students' time with.

To briefly analyse this front page "scandal"; they have recklessly invoked the term racism to justify a cynical semantic reinterpretation of a survey that simply says that 30% of international students feel excluded from university life without qualification of their tedious truth-twisting.

Lets unpack this disingenuous drivel bit by bit:
1. Not all "international students" are of "other races" (what on earth you mean by the term "race" remains unclear; but I assume you define "other races" as being those who are not of autochthonous EU-member-state-type extraction). There are plenty of north americans; loads of EU students, and probably a fair number from Eire and the Antipodes who may look like locals to most of us.

2. The interviewee mentioned, appear by implication of their description, to be likely to be muslim; islam is not a race, it's a belief; an idea; an opinion. Religion and politics being essentially the same thing; we can infer a likely , and obvious set of reasons for why they might be; or perhaps more accurately, might FEEL, that they are being treated differently.
A man jolting his car forward so as to "pretend to run over" an Asian student, is reported as fact; when it's clearly a subjective interpretation of an event, coloured by the prejudices of the subject; or not, as the case may be (I'm invoking the kind of objectivity here, that was appallingly lacking in this pi55-poor effort of an article).

3. "Racism" - what the hell does it mean? Are we talking about "ethnophobia"? Are we talking about "Groupism", part of human and all life-forms genetic programming (Psychology students check your reading lists please!); or is it simply a euphamism for an abstract and ill-defined intangible concept known as "evil"?
Try this for a test - every article you read in Nouse or in NUS literature, try substituting the word "racist" for the word evil... it reads like the bible doesn't it!
When I read this pseudoliberalist drivel, I'm reminded of the play "The Crucible" (English students, check your reading lists please!); or of McCarthyism (Politics students, your turn).

When I read the NUS web pages, I don't see "ebony, and ivory, together as one in harmony etc..."; I see polarisation along racial phenotype lines.
The NUS doesn't have a "racial-harmony society" it has a "black students society"... and includes photos of every single race: black, brown, red, yellow; but excludes white students from the literature. What message is that sending? If that's not racism; what is?
When I glance through Nouse: the paper; the site; why is it every time I look there's something about the BNP or other such things?
I've never seen any BNP or suchlike literature on campus outside of the bilge pumped out by Nouse-NUS: when I write it like that it looks like Sinn Fein-IRA doesn't it!.
Maybe that's it; maybe, just maybe, these Nouse-NUS people are so incestuous and obsessed that they are behaving like terrorists: silencing debate by witch-hunting and branding dissenters as "evil", by using certain repetetive phrases?
Inflammatory comments like "creeping racial tensions" are just appalling.
Yes these issues are present in society, but this kind of witch-hunting serves only to intimidate well-intentioned ethically-minded patriots from raising even a whimper of criticism for fear of some legal or financial (read employment) penalty or sanction.

I have colleagues, friends who I do extra-curricular activities with (like sport) from all kinds of international backgrounds; yet I don't see any moral problem with not wanting to set a precedent that would make it morally impossible to turn down citizenship requests from six billion people in the developing world. I speak Asian languages, but I don't see why public funds should go into translating everything into foreign languages for public services - does that make me evil?!

Who are the racists? Who are the ones who are obsessed with race? Who are the ones that benefit from continually defining the debate in terms of white vs non-white: insinuating that racism is sonething that only white people do to non-white people?

J'accuse Nouse-NUS of stoking up hatred and polarising people on the basis of something they call race, but fail to define, so that they can raise their status as campaigners for a crisis that doesn't exist until they create it.
I think their behaviour is reckless, immature, and irresponsible.

Frankly, it's about time someone was taken to court for incitement to racial hatred against white British people - we cannot be the world's whipping boys any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many ways to legitimately criticise and debunk both this article; its authors; its publishers; it readers; its sympathisers; that it would take up far too much of any commenters time to write or readers time to digest.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is the key issue.<br />
The York student newspapers are so embarrassingly shameless in their efforts to court controversy that there seem no over-inflated incendiary claims they are willing to restrain themselves from publishing in order to provoke, polarise, and waste students&#8217; time with.</p>
<p>To briefly analyse this front page &#8220;scandal&#8221;; they have recklessly invoked the term racism to justify a cynical semantic reinterpretation of a survey that simply says that 30% of international students feel excluded from university life without qualification of their tedious truth-twisting.</p>
<p>Lets unpack this disingenuous drivel bit by bit:<br />
1. Not all &#8220;international students&#8221; are of &#8220;other races&#8221; (what on earth you mean by the term &#8220;race&#8221; remains unclear; but I assume you define &#8220;other races&#8221; as being those who are not of autochthonous EU-member-state-type extraction). There are plenty of north americans; loads of EU students, and probably a fair number from Eire and the Antipodes who may look like locals to most of us.</p>
<p>2. The interviewee mentioned, appear by implication of their description, to be likely to be muslim; islam is not a race, it&#8217;s a belief; an idea; an opinion. Religion and politics being essentially the same thing; we can infer a likely , and obvious set of reasons for why they might be; or perhaps more accurately, might FEEL, that they are being treated differently.<br />
A man jolting his car forward so as to &#8220;pretend to run over&#8221; an Asian student, is reported as fact; when it&#8217;s clearly a subjective interpretation of an event, coloured by the prejudices of the subject; or not, as the case may be (I&#8217;m invoking the kind of objectivity here, that was appallingly lacking in this pi55-poor effort of an article).</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Racism&#8221; - what the hell does it mean? Are we talking about &#8220;ethnophobia&#8221;? Are we talking about &#8220;Groupism&#8221;, part of human and all life-forms genetic programming (Psychology students check your reading lists please!); or is it simply a euphamism for an abstract and ill-defined intangible concept known as &#8220;evil&#8221;?<br />
Try this for a test - every article you read in Nouse or in NUS literature, try substituting the word &#8220;racist&#8221; for the word evil&#8230; it reads like the bible doesn&#8217;t it!<br />
When I read this pseudoliberalist drivel, I&#8217;m reminded of the play &#8220;The Crucible&#8221; (English students, check your reading lists please!); or of McCarthyism (Politics students, your turn).</p>
<p>When I read the NUS web pages, I don&#8217;t see &#8220;ebony, and ivory, together as one in harmony etc&#8230;&#8221;; I see polarisation along racial phenotype lines.<br />
The NUS doesn&#8217;t have a &#8220;racial-harmony society&#8221; it has a &#8220;black students society&#8221;&#8230; and includes photos of every single race: black, brown, red, yellow; but excludes white students from the literature. What message is that sending? If that&#8217;s not racism; what is?<br />
When I glance through Nouse: the paper; the site; why is it every time I look there&#8217;s something about the BNP or other such things?<br />
I&#8217;ve never seen any BNP or suchlike literature on campus outside of the bilge pumped out by Nouse-NUS: when I write it like that it looks like Sinn Fein-IRA doesn&#8217;t it!.<br />
Maybe that&#8217;s it; maybe, just maybe, these Nouse-NUS people are so incestuous and obsessed that they are behaving like terrorists: silencing debate by witch-hunting and branding dissenters as &#8220;evil&#8221;, by using certain repetetive phrases?<br />
Inflammatory comments like &#8220;creeping racial tensions&#8221; are just appalling.<br />
Yes these issues are present in society, but this kind of witch-hunting serves only to intimidate well-intentioned ethically-minded patriots from raising even a whimper of criticism for fear of some legal or financial (read employment) penalty or sanction.</p>
<p>I have colleagues, friends who I do extra-curricular activities with (like sport) from all kinds of international backgrounds; yet I don&#8217;t see any moral problem with not wanting to set a precedent that would make it morally impossible to turn down citizenship requests from six billion people in the developing world. I speak Asian languages, but I don&#8217;t see why public funds should go into translating everything into foreign languages for public services - does that make me evil?!</p>
<p>Who are the racists? Who are the ones who are obsessed with race? Who are the ones that benefit from continually defining the debate in terms of white vs non-white: insinuating that racism is sonething that only white people do to non-white people?</p>
<p>J&#8217;accuse Nouse-NUS of stoking up hatred and polarising people on the basis of something they call race, but fail to define, so that they can raise their status as campaigners for a crisis that doesn&#8217;t exist until they create it.<br />
I think their behaviour is reckless, immature, and irresponsible.</p>
<p>Frankly, it&#8217;s about time someone was taken to court for incitement to racial hatred against white British people - we cannot be the world&#8217;s whipping boys any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/05/08/are-we-a-racist-university/#comment-43089</link>
		<author>Guest</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article seeks to imply a racist community off the back of a survey aimed solely at 'international students' thus discounting the views of the larger (bar the Chinese community) numbers of British students of Afro-Caribbean and Asian descent. Surely this article is missing a major point - that 'international' does not denote a different 'race'. White-American students have been consulted when students of Asian descent from around the UK have not. 
    
The headline 'Are we a racist University?' is certainly attention grabbing, but is it sending the right message? It seems to imply that 'We' the university means white, British, racists. The community of the university includes those who suffer racism at the hands of the university’s other members - the presumption of the headline seems as divisive as the attitudes the article seeks to uncover. 
    
I am surprised at the quality of reporting from a usually impressive journalistic body. When interviewing the British former Racial Equality Officer did alarm bells not sound that such students were not a part of your survey? Did it not occur to refer to the housing policies surrounding international students which mean that whole houses and blocks with lets that extend over Easter are devoted to international students thus separating them from their British (white and otherwise) contemporaries from the moment of their arrival in York? As a third page news article, this would have seemed under-researched, but as a front page report it seems at best misguided, and at worst insulting to the non-white community of the university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article seeks to imply a racist community off the back of a survey aimed solely at &#8216;international students&#8217; thus discounting the views of the larger (bar the Chinese community) numbers of British students of Afro-Caribbean and Asian descent. Surely this article is missing a major point - that &#8216;international&#8217; does not denote a different &#8216;race&#8217;. White-American students have been consulted when students of Asian descent from around the UK have not. </p>
<p>The headline &#8216;Are we a racist University?&#8217; is certainly attention grabbing, but is it sending the right message? It seems to imply that &#8216;We&#8217; the university means white, British, racists. The community of the university includes those who suffer racism at the hands of the university’s other members - the presumption of the headline seems as divisive as the attitudes the article seeks to uncover. </p>
<p>I am surprised at the quality of reporting from a usually impressive journalistic body. When interviewing the British former Racial Equality Officer did alarm bells not sound that such students were not a part of your survey? Did it not occur to refer to the housing policies surrounding international students which mean that whole houses and blocks with lets that extend over Easter are devoted to international students thus separating them from their British (white and otherwise) contemporaries from the moment of their arrival in York? As a third page news article, this would have seemed under-researched, but as a front page report it seems at best misguided, and at worst insulting to the non-white community of the university.</p>
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		<title>By: T Bob</title>
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		<author>T Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn't help that a lot of the foreigners on campus make little or no effort to integrate.

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