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	<title>Comments on: B.O.B result in question</title>
	<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/</link>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41115</link>
		<author>Admin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41115</guid>
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		<title>By: Neil Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41114</link>
		<author>Neil Barnes</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41114</guid>
		<description>I started this topic of legal proceedings...and I shall end it! This correspondance must cease...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started this topic of legal proceedings&#8230;and I shall end it! This correspondance must cease&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41105</link>
		<author>Heidi Blake</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41105</guid>
		<description>I am rather confused as to the point in all this talk of litigation. As I made clear above, Nouse has not in fact committed libel, therefore this dialogue is academic. Shall we drop it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rather confused as to the point in all this talk of litigation. As I made clear above, Nouse has not in fact committed libel, therefore this dialogue is academic. Shall we drop it?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41101</link>
		<author>George</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41101</guid>
		<description>The current law would allow Ents Tech to sue the individual writer or editor of the paper as well as YUSU. 

It was likely that any law suit would be brought against YUSU as they have greater resource to claim against rather than an individual. If it was brought against YUSU it would be likely to be brought against a couple of individuals - either those involved in the media or figureheads, most likely the president.

However if an individual wanted to they could bring a law suit against writers, editors, section editors. For example in this case Alex Stevens, the news editor and Heidi (editor I think from above posts) could be individually sued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current law would allow Ents Tech to sue the individual writer or editor of the paper as well as YUSU. </p>
<p>It was likely that any law suit would be brought against YUSU as they have greater resource to claim against rather than an individual. If it was brought against YUSU it would be likely to be brought against a couple of individuals - either those involved in the media or figureheads, most likely the president.</p>
<p>However if an individual wanted to they could bring a law suit against writers, editors, section editors. For example in this case Alex Stevens, the news editor and Heidi (editor I think from above posts) could be individually sued.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41068</link>
		<author>Neil Barnes</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41068</guid>
		<description>My writing has never been called 'eloquent' before...mmm...have I been the victim of some biting sarcasm...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My writing has never been called &#8216;eloquent&#8217; before&#8230;mmm&#8230;have I been the victim of some biting sarcasm&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41067</link>
		<author>Mr Brown</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41067</guid>
		<description>You can sue the individual though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can sue the individual though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41065</link>
		<author>Admin</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41065</guid>
		<description>Tom, I think Heidi was responding to Kev (above.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I think Heidi was responding to Kev (above.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wise</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41064</link>
		<author>Tom Wise</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41064</guid>
		<description>Surely this should be taking place in the discussion section of the EntsTech article, but anyway...

As Nez has already said, EntsTech have no intention of suing Nouse (even if we could, which we can't) and, as Neil has already said (twice), the suggestion was purely hypothetical in the first place.

Tom
YUSU EntsTech Technical Manager (The other one)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely this should be taking place in the discussion section of the EntsTech article, but anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>As Nez has already said, EntsTech have no intention of suing Nouse (even if we could, which we can&#8217;t) and, as Neil has already said (twice), the suggestion was purely hypothetical in the first place.</p>
<p>Tom<br />
YUSU EntsTech Technical Manager (The other one)</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41061</link>
		<author>Heidi Blake</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41061</guid>
		<description>If Neil doesn't mind, I will correct you, as you are indeed wrong. Your error is twofold.

1) The errors made in the previous edition of Nouse in no way constitute libel. Libel is defined as a deliberate and malicious attempt to defame a person or organisation in the written word. An unintentional error in a newspaper which is later retracted does not, therefore, constitute libel, any more than your erroneous accusation that Nouse has committed libel does. If you, however, had made this accusation in the knowledge that it was incorrect, with the specific intention of damaging Nouse's reputation, that would be libel. 

2) Even if we did commit libel against a YUSU body, they would not be able to sue us. Because Nouse is part of YUSU, Ents Tech, in suing Nouse, would in fact be suing YUSU. YUSU cannot sue YUSU, so Ents Tech cannot sue Nouse. However, should they so wish, individual members of Ents Tech could sue individual members of Nouse. And much good may it do them. 

I hope this clears up your misunderstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Neil doesn&#8217;t mind, I will correct you, as you are indeed wrong. Your error is twofold.</p>
<p>1) The errors made in the previous edition of Nouse in no way constitute libel. Libel is defined as a deliberate and malicious attempt to defame a person or organisation in the written word. An unintentional error in a newspaper which is later retracted does not, therefore, constitute libel, any more than your erroneous accusation that Nouse has committed libel does. If you, however, had made this accusation in the knowledge that it was incorrect, with the specific intention of damaging Nouse&#8217;s reputation, that would be libel. </p>
<p>2) Even if we did commit libel against a YUSU body, they would not be able to sue us. Because Nouse is part of YUSU, Ents Tech, in suing Nouse, would in fact be suing YUSU. YUSU cannot sue YUSU, so Ents Tech cannot sue Nouse. However, should they so wish, individual members of Ents Tech could sue individual members of Nouse. And much good may it do them. </p>
<p>I hope this clears up your misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev G</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41051</link>
		<author>Kev G</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41051</guid>
		<description>Neil, can I take this oppertunity to quote from one of your eloquently written comments above:
 
"YUSU is allowed to review articles before print to clarify that articles are not impacting on an individual student’s welfare, or to clarify that articles will not result in legal action against YUSU."

Now surely Nouse stating facts that seem to be untrue about an entity of YUSU is, as elliot points out "actually libel against a company" that company being YUSU based?? A result of this could possibly result in legal action against Nouse could it not? which again correct me if i'm wrong also operates under is under the YUSU umbrella does it not? Therefore how was this article allowed through the YUSU review?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, can I take this oppertunity to quote from one of your eloquently written comments above:</p>
<p>&#8220;YUSU is allowed to review articles before print to clarify that articles are not impacting on an individual student’s welfare, or to clarify that articles will not result in legal action against YUSU.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now surely Nouse stating facts that seem to be untrue about an entity of YUSU is, as elliot points out &#8220;actually libel against a company&#8221; that company being YUSU based?? A result of this could possibly result in legal action against Nouse could it not? which again correct me if i&#8217;m wrong also operates under is under the YUSU umbrella does it not? Therefore how was this article allowed through the YUSU review?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41026</link>
		<author>Heidi Blake</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41026</guid>
		<description>'Yet again Nouse seem to disappear when they get it wrong… where is the defence to this appalling reporting.'

Steve, would you care to substantiate this comment, or is it just meaningless hyperbole? When has Nouse ever 'disappeared' after getting something wrong? As we have repeatedly stated on this site: we endeavour not to make mistakes, and we are sorry for the mistakes we inevitably make from time to time. Further, we are more than willing to print corrections when we find we are wrong, Q.E.D. 

Rather than disappearing in response to the controversy that has blown up around the most recent edition, members of Nouse have responded by personally engaging in the debate on this site, promptly printing 2 apologies (see above and Ents Tech article), and by discussing the issue of printed errors in detail in 2 blog entries (see the blogs section of this website). 

If you do not feel that this level of response is adequate; if, indeed, you feel it constitutes a 'disappearance', please notify us of any further remedial action you consider appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Yet again Nouse seem to disappear when they get it wrong… where is the defence to this appalling reporting.&#8217;</p>
<p>Steve, would you care to substantiate this comment, or is it just meaningless hyperbole? When has Nouse ever &#8216;disappeared&#8217; after getting something wrong? As we have repeatedly stated on this site: we endeavour not to make mistakes, and we are sorry for the mistakes we inevitably make from time to time. Further, we are more than willing to print corrections when we find we are wrong, Q.E.D. </p>
<p>Rather than disappearing in response to the controversy that has blown up around the most recent edition, members of Nouse have responded by personally engaging in the debate on this site, promptly printing 2 apologies (see above and Ents Tech article), and by discussing the issue of printed errors in detail in 2 blog entries (see the blogs section of this website). </p>
<p>If you do not feel that this level of response is adequate; if, indeed, you feel it constitutes a &#8216;disappearance&#8217;, please notify us of any further remedial action you consider appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nezih Savaskan</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41025</link>
		<author>Nezih Savaskan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41025</guid>
		<description>Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41009</link>
		<author>Admin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-41009</guid>
		<description>A correction to this article is now online here: 
http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/13/battle-of-the-bands-correction/

Please also see the note at the top of the article.

Emma
Web Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A correction to this article is now online here:<br />
<a href="http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/13/battle-of-the-bands-correction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/13/battle-of-the-bands-correction/</a></p>
<p>Please also see the note at the top of the article.</p>
<p>Emma<br />
Web Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40997</link>
		<author>Neil Barnes</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40997</guid>
		<description>umm...it was hypothetical...(and I'm not a member of Nouse)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm&#8230;it was hypothetical&#8230;(and I&#8217;m not a member of Nouse)</p>
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		<title>By: Nezih Savaskan</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40981</link>
		<author>Nezih Savaskan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40981</guid>
		<description>EntsTech dont want to sue Nouse!! We want an apology printed in the next issue to ensure we are not given a bad or misleading name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EntsTech dont want to sue Nouse!! We want an apology printed in the next issue to ensure we are not given a bad or misleading name!</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Fleet</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40980</link>
		<author>Elliot Fleet</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40980</guid>
		<description>Ok, just to clarify.  I am not a member of ents tech but I have been involved in campus gigs including battle of the bands. 

In your hypothetical example Neil you're assuming things will get as far as legal action.  You stated yourself that Entstech and Npuse are both owned by YUSU so by damaging their reputation arn't you biting the hands that feed you?

The techies have had a lot of shit thrown their way from the people responsible for putting the gigs on for late opening times when it has quite simply not been their fault.    The rig expected to set up is massive!  Most places that have a rig that size for events have it perminently set up!

From my experience in a band playing around different spots in th ecountry lots of sound engineers want bands to be ready for soundcheck 2 hours before doors are due.  This is with a PA that is perminently set up in the room and an engineer that is completely familiar with it. 

I always thought out of the two campus papers Nouse was the one that tended to have the more serious journalism rather than this idiotic shit-stiring. Please get off your high horse and apologise to the hard working techies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, just to clarify.  I am not a member of ents tech but I have been involved in campus gigs including battle of the bands. </p>
<p>In your hypothetical example Neil you&#8217;re assuming things will get as far as legal action.  You stated yourself that Entstech and Npuse are both owned by YUSU so by damaging their reputation arn&#8217;t you biting the hands that feed you?</p>
<p>The techies have had a lot of shit thrown their way from the people responsible for putting the gigs on for late opening times when it has quite simply not been their fault.    The rig expected to set up is massive!  Most places that have a rig that size for events have it perminently set up!</p>
<p>From my experience in a band playing around different spots in th ecountry lots of sound engineers want bands to be ready for soundcheck 2 hours before doors are due.  This is with a PA that is perminently set up in the room and an engineer that is completely familiar with it. </p>
<p>I always thought out of the two campus papers Nouse was the one that tended to have the more serious journalism rather than this idiotic shit-stiring. Please get off your high horse and apologise to the hard working techies!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40973</link>
		<author>Neil Barnes</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40973</guid>
		<description>No, YUSU isn't allowed to censor articles in the sense that they can remove anything they wish to. YUSU is allowed to review articles before print to clarify that articles are not impacting on an individual student's welfare, or to clarify that articles will not result in legal action against YUSU. In other words, it's not YUSU's responsibility to chase up every single fact in the newspaper but just to make sure that what IS written won't have any serious implications.

Funny hypothetical example - the campus media slags off Entstech, Entstech then want to sue the campus media. BUT both Entstech and the campus media are owned by YUSU - what to do then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, YUSU isn&#8217;t allowed to censor articles in the sense that they can remove anything they wish to. YUSU is allowed to review articles before print to clarify that articles are not impacting on an individual student&#8217;s welfare, or to clarify that articles will not result in legal action against YUSU. In other words, it&#8217;s not YUSU&#8217;s responsibility to chase up every single fact in the newspaper but just to make sure that what IS written won&#8217;t have any serious implications.</p>
<p>Funny hypothetical example - the campus media slags off Entstech, Entstech then want to sue the campus media. BUT both Entstech and the campus media are owned by YUSU - what to do then?</p>
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		<title>By: Nezih Savaskan</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40971</link>
		<author>Nezih Savaskan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40971</guid>
		<description>I don't really think censorship is the way forward.

Better editing is!

Lets hope they run the corrections/apologies that so many have asked for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really think censorship is the way forward.</p>
<p>Better editing is!</p>
<p>Lets hope they run the corrections/apologies that so many have asked for.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve A</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40968</link>
		<author>Steve A</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40968</guid>
		<description>Yet again Nouse seem to disappear when they get it wrong... where is the defence to this appalling reporting. Why don't YUSU censor it if it so wrong - they are allowed to arent they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet again Nouse seem to disappear when they get it wrong&#8230; where is the defence to this appalling reporting. Why don&#8217;t YUSU censor it if it so wrong - they are allowed to arent they?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Stacey</title>
		<link>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40917</link>
		<author>Danny Stacey</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nouse.co.uk/2007/03/06/bob-result-in-question/#comment-40917</guid>
		<description>Just to clarify Apply the Brake/Break's stance on this issue; in hindsight we feel it must only be fair to apologise to everyone involved in bob since the teeming masses we "brought" to the event obviously caused upset. We did not feel wronged by the result and it is a shame the only campus press on the event (Nouse or Vision) was this.

We were surprised and unimpressed with the booing. Whilst I strongly believe it was largely from people we don't know let's face it, any band associated with the rugby club is bound to attract any accusations/whinging. 

And anyone who reads Alex Mulling's quote without realising the tongue in cheek nature should surely consider their academic worth at uni!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify Apply the Brake/Break&#8217;s stance on this issue; in hindsight we feel it must only be fair to apologise to everyone involved in bob since the teeming masses we &#8220;brought&#8221; to the event obviously caused upset. We did not feel wronged by the result and it is a shame the only campus press on the event (Nouse or Vision) was this.</p>
<p>We were surprised and unimpressed with the booing. Whilst I strongly believe it was largely from people we don&#8217;t know let&#8217;s face it, any band associated with the rugby club is bound to attract any accusations/whinging. </p>
<p>And anyone who reads Alex Mulling&#8217;s quote without realising the tongue in cheek nature should surely consider their academic worth at uni!</p>
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