I am pretty sure if you look on your 10 Journey ticket it states ‘NOT TRANSFERABLE’
IE you can not double scan it.
Once again this shows how stupid students are.
It seems to me that ’students think the rules do not apply to them’
so many times I have heard ” You can not touch me I am a student ”
well not only is it a fine but also a criminal conviction when it goes to court,
Obtaining Services by deception (fraud )
stick that on your CRO and you have it for life, no way you will ever get a job as a accountant, or the like, all for the sake of been stupid

unless they buy some thing !!

I am pretty sure there is every college has a option for getting change with out buying some thing !!! its called a porters’ lodge !!

not only the lodge but a change machine bolted to the wall !!!

This year the Lib Dems are cutting £100k from bus stop maintenance - what a great sense of management by the Lib Dem Council!

I still do not think it is reasonable for everyone to carry the exact fare. I think that “no notes” is a fair policy - on the old style buses I still cringe when someone (did I say someone? I meant some student, because it is clearly only students who do this…) hands over a £20 note.

What makes me cringe a million times more though, is when a family get on the ftr. Husband + Wife + 2 children = £6. Please, do not tell me that it is reasonable to carry 4 lots of exact change for every bus journey.

You ask how you can be traced.

Well, there are numerous ways - one is to download the cctv and put up photo’s of known offenders in the depot and ask the drivers to look out for them boarding the bus next time and to radio for an inspector.

Also, the inspectors now carry a palmtop computer, containing the details of every resident of the York area (including the students living on campus), so if you are caught, and give false details, you can be found out.

Think before,

1) The drivers have had passed numerous complaints onto the management, and things are improving slowly - the buses are having reliability modifications and the machines are being upgraded.

5) The £14.5m includes the costs of stop upgrades (including raised kerbs for wheelchair users), traffic light re-phasing , new shelters.

6) The ftr was designed to operate without conductors, and it is still intended to do so, with the current conductors transferring to other duties, including some going back to their own depots where they are currently being borrowed from, and some staying on, but as roving helpers on all First York services. The hidden cameras are not just there for fare checks, but to provide a complete, safe service for both staff and passengers.

7) It is reasonable for passengers to carry the correct fare (or most of the correct fare), as I’m a great believer in the old sign that buses used to show “Pay on Entry, Exact Fare Please”. Also I wish more operators would display notices like Blackpool used to - “Change for Notes Not Guaranteed”

1) The complaints about the difficulties faced by the ftr bus (breaking down, ticket machines not working etc.) are perfectly valid. These things are a nuisance not only to the students who use the buses, but also to the York residents and First employees, who shouldn’t have to deal with such basic operation problems on such a regular basis.

2) The majority of students now not only don’t recieve any Government funding, but pay £3000 a year of their studies and interest on their student loans. Far less tax payers’ money than ever before goes on maintaining students, and as a result less people are going in to higher education.

3) While some students violate common courtesy on a night out, making too much noise in the middle of the night, it must be remembered: A, that this isn’t intentional, and B, that this is far from being the behaviour of all students. To blame all students for the behaviour of a few is unfair, and the comments have no relevance to the state of the buses.

4) If the best you have to contribute to a discussion is to be a smartarse about someone’s spelling, particularly in a comment that has been typed quickly and not edited, then you should keep quiet and think more. This kind of arrogance is not going to make anyone in the town or university love you.

5) It’s a perfectly fair observation to say that £14.5 million is a ridiculous amount to spend on developing new buses, which, aside from being purple, have no advantage over the old ones.

6) It is also fair to say that rather than spending money developing an unreliable ticket machine and hidden cameras, it might of been better to merely employ more conductors: creating more jobs in York and giving First’s employees greater job security.

6) That it is also entirely reasonable to expect all bus users to carry roughly correct change, or to purchase a bus pass in advance.

Didnt this start as a discussion about the buses not another excuse to hammer students…….?

Ive lived in york all my life and used to rely on public transport to get me around the city, i wouldnt even spit on the new buses, THEY are the real waste of taxpayers money……14.5 MILLION POUNDS PEOPLE, and they cant even get a simple ticket machine to work…perhaps they should have ask some uni “scum” to give them a hand, we would have charged them less and got it right first time.!!

Do you always leave all your money in the room, and then head for the bus via the cash point. If you have any brains, you would keep some small change on you, if only for any emergencies that you found your self in.

Mind you, if you can’t manage to find the correct change to purchase a ticket when the fare is £1.50 single, £2.50 return, how will you cope from next month when the fares will be £1.60 single and £2.80 return!!!!!!

If you don’t purchase a ticket, then you deserve to get hit by a £50 penalty fare.

PS There are more camera’s on board the ftr than you think, so if you don’t buy a ticket you can be traced and prosecuted!!!!!!!!

Students that complain constantly about money prior to a £30 binge on alcohol are far too repundant.

I also think that the general student habit of nights out puking in the street and sleeping with a stranger, punctuated by five minutes picking up a greasy kebab is pathetic. There’s a lot more to student life than drinking heavily, but apparently my view on this is not so widely held. People whose weeks revolve around a facebook-organised drunken outing to Ziggy’s, in order to end up pulling a drunk nobody should realise, once and for all, that they need to get a life, and stop contributing to the lousy reputation that students enjoy.

However, levelling insults such as “you are scum” is not only stooping low, but it’s also a generalisation. I’ve never eaten a kebab (note the spelling) in my life. I’m a second year history student here; I love York, I consider it home and do not intend to leave after university. It doesn’t help to provoke people like me with insults like that. It certainly won’t result in a sense of community. Clearly you’re a little more bothered, as am I, about a bigger picture than the state of the purple buses. Being frustrated about the continuous need for exact change is a little different from scrounging.

On the buses themselves, I think that a great deal of the criticism against them has been fair. They regularly turn up late, break down, become fussy about which of your £1 coins they will accept, and add to the general theme in society of less human interaction (god forbid you should be allowed to engage in conversation with the driver) and pointless pieces of technology. I think there’s just a sense that the £300,000 per bus would have been much better spent elsewhere. I wouldn’t mind a few pounds if First is becoming less bothered about how it invests.

Over educated and no sence, even when, normal buses, were used on 4 service only a student would ask for a £1, single on tenner a £20 note in the hope to get free travel, as drives have little if not no float, futher more, why is it that when first replace a Ftr with a normal bus do students, look depressed, I can tell you it means the cheap skates have to pay, like i said your only here for a few years some of us live here and have to put up with you iditos